Q&A Of March 17, 2002

Aajonus.net & Rawmeatgang

Q: Well, this isn't really having to do with food. But I was wondering about like fireplaces and stuff like that. If you're burning logs, and papers if that's gives off like toxic...

A: It does. It gives off a lot of carbon monoxides. Depending upon what you're burning. If you're burning citrus and those heavy oils, there's a lot more tars as well as the carbon monoxide. So your chimney and area should have a glass in front of it. And have good circulation so the smoke and gas doesn't come into the house.

Q: And most of the logs or the firewood that they sell, is it treated?

A: A lot of them are treated.

Q: So get your own.

Q: What are they treated with?

A: They treat it with substances, dry it out. Some kind of solvent.

Q: And they don't necessarily have to say that. Obviously you're not eating it.

A: No, you're not eating it, so. No restrictions. Do you have questions?

Q: I just have a question about honey and infants. Because I work at Child Wellness Center and they talk about not feeding honey to infants until they're one year old. So I guess I want to hear your opinion.

A: Well, there are several reasons that they don't like to feed honey to infants. Most honey is heated to high temperatures. So the insulin that the bee, when the bee collects the nectar, swallows it. And he manufactures an insulin-like substance that converts the nectar into honey. When she gets back to the hive, they vomit it. So honey is bee puke. Basically is what it is. But it has an insulin-like substance which converts 90% of the carbohydrate in it into enzymes for digesting, utilizing, and assimilating proteins. And only 10% sugar. Once you heat it up to 100 degrees, between 93 and 100 degrees, you alter and destroy that insulin-like substance so then it's back into sugar. It's not a radical sugar until you take it over 104 degrees. And most honeys are heated a minimum of 118 degrees. So if an infant has that, they'll have a sugar problem. It could cause anaphylaxis. Also, they worry about bacteria in honey, which is the most absurd thing because bacteria cannot thrive in honey.

Q: [unintelligible]

A: Causing it to ferment. But still, alcohol destroys bacteria, too. It's not easy to get honey. In fact, they say that people who've done the tests and experiments have said that it's absolutely impossible to get honey to thrive and even live, sustain itself in honey. So it's the anaphylactic children infants will have from the high sugar of heated honeys, but it doesn't happen with unheated honeys. Unheated, below 93 degrees.

Q: Would you say it's only 10% sugar in raw honey?

A: Unheated honey, yeah. Only 10% will be used as sugar.

Q: What's the other 90%?

A: Enzymes for digesting, utilizing, and assimilating proteins. Question?

Q: First exposure, just an observer today.

A: Okay.

Q: Thank you.

A: You, sir. Do you have a question?

Q: Sure. About the juice, I mean, you generally give everybody the same, you know, parsley, celery.

A: Summer squash.

Q: Yeah, and so it's like three or whatever juices, and that's pretty much it as I understand it. Why not, there's a zillion vegetables out there. Why just those?

A: Because the others are more herbal, and they're stronger, and they will have greater reactions. For instance, let's say with Kimberly, I used a little bit of cauliflower and broccoli. Now, if you use too much of that, it will make the thyroid slow, slower, and that can cause lethargy, tiredness. And some people need that just to slow them down. So I use others in small amounts, and you can use any one you want. Just know what it's for, and no more than 5% of your juice.

Q: So is there a way to find out what they're for?

A: There are lots of herbal books around that have that in it.

Q: Along the same line, what about adding kale and other green?

A: Like I said, no more than 5% because they're very concentrated. If you're having that four times a day, you can be causing yourself to go in quite a radical direction. I like the celery because it isn't extreme, and it keeps the salt level, so it's like a constant IV sodium level in the body. It helps stimulate the adrenals, and everybody needs some adrenaline to keep active. And a lot of people who have been eating cooked foods for so long have had lots of salt storages in their body, and the high celery content helps detoxify that. The parsley I use because of the high vitamin D in it, vitamin E, and the high chlorophyll content, which helps people utilize oxygen better. And it's very good at alkalinizing the blood that becomes so acidic when you detox constantly.

Q: Isn't the parsley high in zinc as well?

A: It depends upon where it's grown. The thing that's highest in zinc is zucchini, no matter what soil it's grown. That's why I use the zucchini to help pull out toxic metals. All the summer squash help do that. They've got a starch in them that has a tendency to attract metals.

Q: Are there other foods?

Q: Different metals for different starches?

A: No, actually all of your summer squashes will attract any of them. So will the winter squashes, but then you get a sugar high from all the high carbohydrate content, and that's not good.

Q: Is there ever a time when you need the winter squashes?

A: She asked if there was any time that the winter squashes would be good to eat. Yes, you can have up to 10% of your juice like you would carrot juice, just to increase the vitamin A content.

Q: I'm just wondering if there are other things on the diet that are designed to attract metals as well.

A: Cilantro is good for that. No more than 10% of the juice. But cilantro can do it very radically. If you've got a lot of mercury coming out of your system or lead, you might get very fatigued, very poisoned, very nasty. Your mate won't like you very much. If you can't handle it. If you're using a metal extractor like that, it's always good to have either some raw cow's cream or some coconut cream with it, so that as soon as the metals come into the blood, you'll have fat there to arrest it. People who drink the juice and have heart palpitations afterwards or speedy heart, that's a sign that the metals have gotten into your blood, and you don't have the available blood fats to bind with it. So the heart palpitations, don't let it frighten you. You just need to sit down. If you do that, then the first juice, if you have that effect, that side effect, then every juice in the morning should have some cream in it so that that doesn't happen.

Q: Can you eat butter just after it instead of the cream?

A: You can use, instead of two tablespoons of cream or more, you can use one tablespoon of butter.

Q: And would avocado be a good way to do it?

A: Avocado won't work for that. Coconut cream, raw cream, and butter.

Q: No cheese.

A: You don't want to have cheese unless, well, you can have cheese. If you get nauseous, it's a sign you should have cheese. But cheese doesn't digest well because it's very acid. And then if you have it mixed in with the alkaline juice, if you have the alkaline and the acid together, neither will digest properly. So you're not going to digest as much juice if you have cheese with it. However, some people are so poisoned and get nauseous right away that they have to have cheese with their juice. But normally, no.

Q: What does the avocado do? What are the properties it works with as a fat?

A: Well, that's a different question. You want to save that for that particular subject.

Q: I have another juice question, Aajonus. By choosing between, I rarely have time to make juice, so I buy either the substantial greens via Juice Evolution. So I'm wondering that or just going like the jama juice, and they'll make celery and parsley. They won't make squash. They'll make cucumber.

A: Cucumber is a squash, summer squash.

Q: Oh, okay. So would that be preferable over buying the Juice Evolution if I can have fresh made? It's not organic either.

A: It's better than having nothing because that's the only place we get our vitamin, enzymes, and mineral supplement, is from the juice.

Q: Yeah, but I'm saying to choose between the Juice Evolution or the one that they would make.

A: I would have both.

Q: Yeah, the juice is really great when you make it. It's noticeably superior.

A: Incredible, yes. Rich and alive. If you make it once every three days, it's not that difficult.

Q: I try. I just literally don't...

A: Then get a high school kid to come over and do it.

Q: It's so easy.

A: Just put up at the bulletin board. Every three days, you know, I'll pay you $20.

Q: Is there a particular juicer that you recommend?

A: The Green Life, the Green Star, the Green Power. Yes.

Q: Where?

Q: Well, directly from Tribest because they just had the show up in Anaheim. So to the end of this month, they're running them wholesale is about $340.

A: That's pretty good. Yeah. Very good.

Q: Can you arrange them for us?

Q: I'm a distributor.

A: You are a distributor? Well, give me your name and number because I send people to, you know, Burns and another place now that's even cheaper in La Cienega in Beverly Hills. They're $380 something.

Q: What about a Norwalk?

A: Well, Norwalks have two processes and they're a lot, you know, $2,600, something like that. And they tritrate, means they masticate, break it down. Then you have to press it. So it touches oxygen twice. So the juice isn't as good and doesn't last as long. In the Green Life, Green Power, and Green Star, it's all pressed. It's crushed and pressed rather than tritrated and pressed. So there's not a lot of oxygen that destroys it. What's the use of the magnet for? Well, the magnet helps... What it does is it frees up some of the minerals that's in the pulp, and it goes with the juice rather than staying in the pulp.

Q: I had also heard documents that it reduces the surface tension in the juice so it's more permeable in the cells.

A: That's the same thing I was saying, but you said it a different way.

Q: Okay, thank you.

Q: You recommended that I eat four eggs a day.

A: That's all?

Q: [unintelligible] eat lunch now without wanting to gag. My stomach does this.

A: Good. You should vomit.

Q: Well, what's the point of eating it then if I'm just going to throw it up?

A: You know, you've seen those old labels. Remember when we were kids, you said, if you swallow this poison, swallow an egg and induce vomiting? Because eggs are great to pull poisons to the stomach, like milk is, but eggs is pretty profound in doing it, and it will cause you to vomit. But once you vomit it, you've gotten rid of it, and then you can keep down the eggs. But you've got to let yourself vomit if it's trying to. But usually you only vomit like once, and then you'll be able to eat for days. Eat a lot of eggs. But vomiting is the quickest way to get rid of poisons. You don't have to worry about diarrhea. You don't have to worry about loss of fluids. Discharging the bile and the poisons easily.

Q: What kind [unintelligible] is that?

A: Pardon?

Q: What kind [unintelligible] is that?

A: I couldn't understand it.

Q: Saves you a trip to the toilet.

A: Yes. It also saves a lot of nutrients lost trying to keep it from destroying intestinal tissue as it passes out. I've got a new client who was a paraplegic at 18 months old. He received some vaccines, and the thimerosal, which is mercury, poisoned his system. So he's like this now, in a chair, and he's 18 years old. He's been that way since 18 months. So I've had him on a diet for about 6 weeks. He's put on 12 pounds for the first time in 6 years he's put on weight. And for the first time since he was 18 months old, his feet that were bound like that, relaxed. This kid, you know, was going to vomit. I knew that. He got the mercury, went right to his nervous system like that, and caused that kind of deformity. Then it's close to the surface, and he would be likely to vomit. So I had to worry. I had to warn the parents that he's going to probably vomit profusely for an evening. And then he'll be able to eat for 3 days without vomiting anything, and then he may go into it again. And like clockwork, that's the way it went. First time he vomited all evening, and the next day he had the biggest appetite. He ate 3 pounds of meat the next day, and the next day, and the next day. For 10 days he ate 3 pounds of meat a day, and about 10 eggs, and lots of milk. This is a skinny kid that's only about 5'8 and 110 pounds. Pretty thin. So eating all that food he's very happy. In just a matter of 6 weeks, he's improved probably by about 5-7%. He hasn't improved anything since he was 18 months old. So the father and mother are pretty impressed. The foods are incredible.

Q: What if all you're going to eat is beef, and that's the only meat that you eat?

A: Well, you're likely to get too acidic after a while, and maybe get a little irritable. Maybe get depressed.

Q: So, the way to balance that is?

A: Eat fish with it. Eat more chicken and fish.

Q: I have a hard time eating the fish raw.

A: Marinate it in lemon or lime. Let it sit for a couple of days in lemon or lime juice, and it'll just soften just like it's cooked. It won't be cooked in that way. Just like your hydrochloric acid dissolves the substances so that you can separate it, fractionate it, and use the parts. Well, the lemon juice does that for you ahead of time. So it's easier to eat, and it's much more palatable.

Q: How about the, you told me to drink half a cup of cabbage juice [unintelligible] in the morning, for the inflammation of my shoulder after the operation. And I've been doing that since I started. That's almost two months. I don't really know, the inflammation is... I'm still doing it. I don't know if I should keep doing it.

A: Is your shoulder better?

Q: It's still inflamed.

A: Then I would up it to a cup instead of a half a cup. You do it until it heals. Did you have surgery on that?

Q: Yes.

A: Okay, it's likely they put mercurochrome, which is mercury or methylate, or some kind of iodine. You know, they rub it on there so that it's antiseptic. And what that does is poison the tissue. So until that is removed, proper healing may not take place without adhesions for up to five years.

Q: Drinking cabbage juice for five years?

A: No, I'm saying that if you don't do something properly to last that long or even longer. Some people could stay in there for a lifetime if they're not eating the proper foods. But let's say the reason I tell people to have green cabbage juice is because of the high vitamin K and vitamin U. It allows proper blood clotting so that an area can heal properly. But if you've got mercury or iodine in that area preventing new cells from regenerating and aiding the area for healing, then the cabbage juice is going to help to an extent. But it's not going to change the tissue structure. Mainly the tendons in the bone and the cartilage are affected more by chicken, by fowls, rather than red meat. Red meat helps the muscles, the dark glands, and the blood. It enriches those. But when you're talking about connective tissue, like in the shoulder where you had your surgery, it's much better healed by a combination of fowl and fish, about 10-20% fish and the rest fowl. So if you want to heal that quicker, just don't eat the beef because that won't repair it quickly. It'll be very slow. All the meats will help regenerate tissue in any area. But I found in my lab experiments with animals that if the tissue were intestinal, neurological, bone, cartilage, connective tissue, tendons, glands that are white, and all neurological tissue are healed quicker by the ingestion of fowl, any white meats, with some fish as the white meat. But mainly fowl. Rabbits, but we can't get them unless they've been fed off with pellets. Okay, do you have a question? No. Okay, do you have a question? What is your name?

Q: My name is Mike.

A: Mike, hi Mike.

Q: Who kills in town?

A: Well, it depends whose meat it is and who's butchering. When I can, I do.

Q: How do you do it?

A: Well, what I did on Pangaia last year, I butchered a goat. So what I did was made a harness for him and spun him from a tree until he went to sleep. And then I slid his jugular vein and caught the blood and put it in equal part milk and blood, goat's milk and blood, and that tasted like milkshake, believe it or not. We had five vegetarians there, 15 of us were, you know, raw animal meat eaters. And the five vegetarians were so, you know, taken by the ceremony that we had because we had drummers and we had two spinners to spin the animal around, you know, in the harness hanging from the tree. And then I did kind of a hypnotic thing with the animal so he'd go to sleep faster. And they were very impressed by that. You know, so we had two gallon jars full, equal parts of blood and goat's milk, and passed it around for everybody to have a little bit. So there were all these vegetarians going, you know. They just wanted to be part of it, but they were just tense about it. And at once, every one of them, all of us, even I was a little reluctant. And it tasted like ice cream. It didn't have any relationship to what blood tastes like by itself. And it was just like ice cream, it was so rich. And you saw all these vegetarians just going gulp, gulp, gulp, gulp, gulp, gulp like this. And all of those two gallons of milk and blood were gone in 15 minutes. And we only had 19 people. 20 minutes, all of the two gallons of milk, blood were gone. It's amazing, it's wonderful. But, you know, everything gets killed if that was your, you know, idea. Everything is killed. You kill vegetables, you kill anything you eat.

Q: If somebody wants to be a strict vegetarian, can they still benefit from your diet?

A: Well, my diet isn't a vegetarian diet. But if somebody wants to eat a lot of, you know, fats, you know, then they will definitely be helped.

Q: Yes, including the dairy and the eggs.

A: Oh yeah, you won't regenerate, the people who don't eat the meat don't regenerate and heal as quickly. The problem I find with vegetarians, especially long time vegetarians, is that they don't reproduce cells. Because they don't get enough protein. So what happens, they hold on to dead cells. So they just go through life holding on to dead cells and not getting more alive.

Q: So how about the Asian and Indian populations that have been predominantly vegetarian?

A: Same thing for them.

Q: Regeneration?

A: Yeah, same thing for them. I've seen it time after time. They're more acclimated to it. The tribes like the Fulani and the Samburu mainly live on raw milk. I mean, 90% of the Fulani is raw milk. 90% of their diet is raw milk. But because they've been on it for centuries, you know, it's fine for them. They do have some skin discoloration that I find predominant in people who eat mainly raw milk. But there's no ill health associated with it.

Q: I'm gagging on hamburger. I was doing really well eating hamburger for a while. And the last week or two, I had to gag it down. So I tried to go to a different kind of meat. Do you have any suggestions for helping?

A: How were you trying to eat it?

Q: I was eating it with just butter and honey.

A: Butter and honey?

Q: Melt the butter and mix some honey in it. It goes like that. Nice and tasty.

A: That may detoxify the liver or spleen or gallbladder too quickly. And that may cause some nausea because when you put that combination like that, and the meat's almost in a pate, it's absorbed very readily and can cause instant detox. When the body can't detox, like I said, it'll dump into the stomach first and there's your nausea. So if you eat some cheese with it, it'll probably prevent that. But you might want to eat some cheese first so it's already in your stomach and ready to absorb the toxins so you don't feel repulsed or don't have to experience the nausea. And also tomatoes help relax that kind of a detoxification. So you might make a sauce with butter and tomato.

Q: What would a sauce with butter and tomato, how would you do that? Just butter and tomato?

A: Room temperature butter, room temperature tomatoes, they'll blend very well.

Q: In a blender?

A: Cheese, yeah, in the blender, one of those little jars. Add a little onion, red onion, whatever you like to spice it up. Also having the honey with it may cause too much detoxification if you're having it too often. So you might want to cut back on the honey with your beef meal for a while or just skip it sometimes.

Q: What kind of ratio would you suggest? Well, you said if you eat cherry tomatoes with 3 tablespoons of honey, I mean 3 tablespoons of butter.

A: It doesn't matter how many tomatoes you eat as long as you still can, you know, you have room for your meat. You can have as many as you like as long as it doesn't spoil your appetite. In fact, usually, let's say you had a handful of cherry tomatoes with half a pound of meat, it's easier to eat half a pound of meat with a handful of cherry tomatoes than it is to get the meat down by itself.

Q: Okay.

A: But the body isn't repulsed because of the meat itself. And every time that I found a repulsion when we took a sample of the stomach fluids, we always found some kind of poison that was dumping into the stomach and that was causing the nausea. And it was the already available proteins from the raw milk that allowed those particular glands, like the liver, gallbladder, and spleen, which are all right there, dumping into the stomach. Predominantly it was bile, toxic old bile that was created with heavy salts. None of them were ever evenly, none of those fluids were ever evenly mixed. There was always some concentration of a toxin along with the bile, even if it were just salt, heavy salt deposits. Mario, you have a question?

Q: Yeah, just a little bit more on what I mentioned before about gaining weight. Right now I'm eating about a container and a half of red meat and at least one pepper and one of the lube jars. I was having it twice a day, but how can I add to that to gain the weight?

A: You have to have lots of fat with your meat if you want to gain weight. Otherwise you're just going to burn it. Let me give you an example. I have a fellow on the diet, he's been on the diet for about two years, maybe a little over two years. And he decided, you know, he's doing well on the diet now. He was very thin before. He's gained about, I guess, 40 pounds. He's about 6'2", 6'2". And he just decided he was ready to move to the next level. So he said, I'd like to work out. I'd like to body build. Is there something I can do? And I said, well, have a lubrication formula every time you eat meat or an equal amount of butter and some kind of sauce. So at least, you know, a half a cup to three quarters of a cup of butter with each meat meal. This is a big guy. In two and a half months, he put six inches on his chest and four inches on his arms. And everybody accused him of using steroids. So you just have to add a lot of fat. It has to be a lot of fat if you want to build.

Q: I could have more lube.


Q: That's what you need?

Q: I like the lube formula.

A: Have as many as you like. Every time you eat meat, have one. And then you put on more weight. How many pounds did you put on? You put on, what, about 7, 10?

Q: Yeah, about 7.

A: Yeah, that's good.

Q: Is it okay to have a lube formula just whenever you feel hungry, too?

A: No.

Q: Just meat?

A: Well, it's good to have it once a day by itself if you want it. But it's always good to have more protein. You know, if you're going to have lots of lube formulas, you need lots of protein.

Q: Is it detoxifying?

A: This is like anything. If you have more carbohydrate or fats than you do protein, you're going to become protein deficient. If you have too many carbohydrates, you're going to demineralize yourself. You have tooth problems, bone problems, all kinds of, and just neurological pain. Everything will increase that is painful will be exaggerated, increased. And if you eat lots of fat, it's just that, I mean, you'll feel better and all that, but you're not going to put on massive muscle. You're not going to put on muscle mass. You put on fat mass, which is good because it will protect you and it binds. All people who are fat are completely opposite from the medical profession. All people who are fat are healthier than people who are thin because people who are fat have storages of fat to bind with the poisons that are in their systems. People who are thin, those poisons get into the tissue and damage the tissue. And I used to think just the opposite, especially when I was a vegetarian. Anybody who was fat was unhealthier than anybody who was bone thin. And then when I started doing laboratory experiments and tests, I found that the tissue in people who were thin was highly contaminated. They would injure easier. They were unhappier. They were more irritable. There were all kinds of side effects. Whereas a person who was fat usually had very few problems because they had the fat to bound with the toxins.

Q: Fat and happy.

A: Fat and happy, yeah. So I started getting fat as soon as I realized that. Of course, I can't get very fat.

Q: So you have too much meat in relationship to the juices. You might get too acidic. Is that... Why the juices?

A: Yes. Well, I've been on this diet for 20 years almost, eating meat on a daily basis. I can go no more than, let's say, four days without juice, and I start breaking out. As you see, I've gone four days without juice. I'm starting to break out instantly on the fourth day. But that's because I had a vagotomy, which means severed all the vagus nerve to my stomach, so acid still refluxes into my mouth. For me, I still have to have juices, you know, frequently. And most people, especially starting the diet, are going to be highly acidic because when they detox, the poisons get into the blood, and, of course, they get into the tissue. If you have the vegetable juice there, it'll alkalize that. It'll have lots of alkalizing minerals to bind with those poisons, and the end result will still be alkalinity instead of acidity. Do you have a question?

Q: I do. Can you talk about, I remember a while ago you talked about the minerals from vegetables.

A: Who did this dance, this rain dance? I wanted to [unintelligible].

Q: La Jolla.

A: The minerals?

Q: Yeah, can we just talk about minerals? You know, like from the vegetable juice, I think you said, those minerals aren't going to go into the tissue or something?

A: They'll do what?

Q: I think you said they'll take out bad minerals or something. I don't know. If we could just talk about minerals.

A: How long a dissertation do you want?

Q: Seven hours.

Q: And how it's related to the vegetable juice, you know, how it interacts with meat or in cheese? I know you said cheese is high in minerals. How do those interact in the body?

A: Minerals from vegetable juice can be utilized in any cell for any purpose because it's bioactive. Minerals from cheese cannot be utilized that way because once it's dried and cultured, it is a good detoxifier. It absorbs, but it really can't be absorbed into the cells easily because it's no longer bioactively electrolyte bound. And electrolytes have to be present. Ions have to be present within the nutrients in order for the cell to absorb it. Each cell has one or two ions in it, and that's its guts. When it needs to eat, it will attract a mineral as it passes in the blood serum. And so it opens, and the one or two ions inside will attract the ions that are bound with that mineral, and the mineral attached to a food nutrient, whether it's protein, H2O, like sodium usually carries H2O, potassium may carry glycogen, whether the glycogen is made from pyruvate or carbohydrate. Just different minerals will carry different nutrients with it. So when the cell wants to eat that, it opens up and attracts it. If the ions aren't active, there's no magnetic force, so it can't be utilized and absorbed properly. If you concentrate like salt in the blood, let's say you have three little bitty grains of salt, you will, in a body about 5'8", about 140 pounds, you will increase the concentration of sodium molecules in the blood to where they clump in about 4 to 5 in a clump. So what happens when the cell opens to eat H2O, it will try to pull that sodium cluster into itself and it can't do it. What happens is the magnetism is so great outside that it pulls the ions, which means it pulls the guts out of the cell. And the cells can never eat anything again, so it shrivels like a raisin, dies. And one little bitty grain of salt will destroy one million red blood cells that way from clumping, clustering. You won't even [unintelligible] the head of a pin, but still you have a lot of it. Over 50, 60 years, that's a lot of destroyed red blood cells.

Q: Is there any feedback as to whether it kills the cells that are basically supposed to die or that are weak?

A: It will kill anyone that opens to eat, whether it's healthy or not. It's just like if you have your mouth open and I'm passing around poison and you're the healthiest person here, guess what's going to happen to you?

Q: Watch out, Frank.


A: Is there anything more you want to know about minerals?

Q: [unintelligible]

A: There's minerals in everything. In fact, one of the highest concentrations of calcium and magnesium is in meat. It's most assimilable. Juice is okay in that area, but not as concentrated as with the meat because for some reason magnesium and calcium is better utilized in a concentration of fat that is animal-based and protein. So almost all of the minerals in meat, as long as the meat's not dehydrated or not cooked, 100% of the minerals can be utilized in cell tissue. And when you're eating raw foods like raw meats, you need very little calcium. Once you heat a food, you cauterize the minerals. That's like taking clay, which is normally malleable. Once you fire it, it is pottery. You cannot grow mold in it or plants in it anymore. It is dead. And that's the same thing that happens when you cook food. You cauterize the minerals. The calcium rate of absorption is down to 10-12%. It can be somewhat properly utilized. That means a loss of 88% of the calcium from cooking the meat. So all this calcium loss is not because the soils are deficient. It's because we're damaging the nutrients before we put them into our body and we can't utilize them.

Q: What are grains doing to you? Some healthy cultures eat grains like brown rice. If we do that now, is it different than when they did that?

A: Well, we have so much more... Her question was, there are cultures that seem to be able to thrive by eating grains.

Q: Or a combination. I mean, they could have it in their diet, but it doesn't seem like we can.

A: The cultures who eat strictly grains are the unhealthiest cultures in the world. The third world countries, you can see the children with distended stomachs and their bones with distended stomachs. Those are cultures that only eat grains. It's a very malnourished culture. Those who mix like the Japanese and Chinese and eat lots of grains, still is not a healthy thing because the human body can only handle about 7-8% concentration of byproduct of advanced glycation end product. Anytime the body uses glycogen as fuel, there's a byproduct called glycotoxin called advanced glycation end product. Columbia University in New York City did the research on it for about 28 years. 28 to 30 years. And found that in a healthy body, it stores at a rate of 70% every time you eat a carb. That means it stays in your body for your lifetime. 70% of that toxicity. If you're unhealthy, like somebody with a compromised kidney or diabetes, it stores at a rate of 90% or more. That is a sugar product that actually melts tissue when it becomes so concentrated, like Coca-Cola. So that's why flesh and muscles start sagging because it fills up and starts melting the tissue. That cannot be removed. We are humans that just live that way. From my understanding and research of history of the Asian cultures, the royalty, the dynasties, only ate meats and fat. They kept the lackeys eating half or more carbohydrates like grains to keep them emotionally imbalanced. Because high carbohydrates have the sugar problem in the body and you can't keep up with that much advanced glycation end product. So what they found was that emotionally they were unstable and could never overthrow the hierarchy. And the Egyptians did it also.

Q: I was going to say also more passive at the same time.

A: No, actually it makes them more irritable and violent.

Q: So rice, you don't think, creates passivity?

A: No.

Q: Okay.

Q: In your book you mentioned eating butter and bread.

A: She didn't make me pass it. When I was a [unintelligible], I was ready to kill.

Q: Were you?

A: Yes.

Q: You mentioned eating bread and butter in your book. Or potatoes. Was that before you kind of looked into the carbo? Or is it okay to have some starch?

A: Well, when I read that research and then I started doing some experiments with it, it was always a tradeoff with the cooked starch. You know it's poisonous. There are byproducts in it. We're not going to handle it properly. We'll have to use tremendous amounts of nutrients to discard all of the wastes and toxins that are involved in it. But I couldn't find any other starch that chelated with neurological toxins. Anytime you have trauma or an upset in your life, there's a hormone, there are hormones that are produced in the neurological system that are just like any other poison in the system. They will store and have to be detoxified. If you want to know the particulars about that, you can go on the Internet and look for the Biology of Emotions by Elnora Van Winkle. She was a biochemist that worked on neurological compounds for about 40-some years at New York City Medical University.

Q: What was her name again?

A: Elnora Van Winkle. Biology of Emotions. She has the complex medical paper and then a layman's paper for the average person to understand it. So you can read both or either. She explains that when she was doing the tests and researching, she found neurological hormones that related to trauma. They categorized them and differentiated them. She found that people, when they go through an emotional upset that has no relationship to reality, that she's found that they're detoxing these hormones. She was a person who believed in primal therapy, which means you scream, you rant, you rave, you kick pillows, you beat things to death, except for humans. But when I used to exercise primal therapy, it only continued the rage. So I decided to do the opposite. Whenever I felt rage, I would go paint or smell flowers or do gardening, sing, do everything that was pretty and nice rather than violent. And I found that I was able to change myself that way. So she and I had quite a disagreement, but she was still in her anger.


A: She did my diet for about two years and then thought that Instincto was better. And Instincto means you eat what attracted to you. And she was 70 years old at the time. So she wanted to please her palate. So she consumed a tremendous amount of fruit, lost another 25 pounds since she was skin and bones, and she lasted that way for a year and a half, and she died last year. She just got too thin and can't do that. It's like a pangaia and another community in Hawaii on the big island. They were Instinctos, of course. They tell you to smell fruit first, and if that appeals to you, eat it. So these people were eating 35% to 85% of their diet was fruit. So they were always having staph infections. It was like they had the psoriasis, and they were always ill-tempered, unhappy, unsatisfied, never calm, always fidgeting. I mean, it just...

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A: ...and work toward a social environment, a happy, self-sustainable cultural environment. But he couldn't take it because everybody was haywire, including him. So they went on my diet, so he came back and found the place, an entirely different place, so he bought it back. Now he's living there. So that's the difference between high fruit and high meat, fat diet. It makes a huge difference. So getting back to the whole starch thing, I wanted to get away from anything that pollutes the body, so I worked very hard at finding something I could use to substitute for that cooked starch with the raw fat to bind with those neurological toxins. Nuts was my best shot, but I couldn't get rid of the enzyme inhibitors that would prevent digestion of protein for 24 to 48 hours after eating the nuts. And that's not just the protein in the nuts, that's the protein in any food you eat after that, whether it be eggs or meat. It just wouldn't digest properly. So I started thinking about what could I neutralize these enzyme inhibitors with. What could I inhibit the enzyme inhibitors, turn it right back on them. So I found that when I mixed, I mixed quite a few things to try to work it out, and finally when I mixed eggs, honey, and a fat with it, whether it was butter, coconut cream, peanut oil, olive oil, some compound with it, some fat with it, it worked. And it only had to take one day a week, and it would work for the whole week.

Q: Wow. So the new formula is...

A: So I used the nut formula. The nut formula, and the combination with the nut formula is nuts, egg, a fat, and honey. It has to be a lot of honey. For, let's say, I recommend normally a half a cup of nuts. The softer nuts are better, like walnuts and pecans, pine nuts, filberts for some people who have a good liver, and pumpkin seeds for those few who have a good liver, and sunflower seeds. So the preferable are, the easiest to digest are walnuts and pecans. The next are pine nuts and sunflower seeds. However, the pine nuts can cause intense glandular detoxification and nausea. So if you have that, you don't want the pine nuts. Yes?

Q: No almonds?

A: No, almonds are very difficult to digest.

Q: Do you have to soak them?

A: If you soak them, you've created, you've turned them into a vegetable.

Q: And what if you sprout them?

A: Cellulose, same thing, they're a vegetable. Once it's a sprout, it's a vegetable. Find a [unintelligible]. But then you still have some enzyme inhibitors in sprouts.

Q: What if you soak them in, let's say, in whey when you make your cheese?

A: I've not experimented with that. It's a possibility. I don't know that the whey will incapacitate, the lactic acid will incapacitate the enzyme inhibitors, the protein inhibitors, because they're pretty strong. I would have to do a test and see.

Q: Because aren't there a lot of the enzyme inhibitors in the walnuts?

A: Well, like I say, they're in there, but I found that if I make that combination of the eggs, fat, and the honey with it, it neutralizes it.

Q: Does it make a difference if you soak the almonds in pineapple juice?

A: That will cause most people gas. We're talking about high-sugar food. Even though it has lots of acids in it, like the bromelain, it will help break down the nuts to some extent. The high sugar and reaction with that particular kind of fat and high carbohydrate will cause indigestion and gas in a lot of people, most people. I've never met anybody who could do it without farting all day long.

Q: I would like to make a testimonial. I'm not farting since I'm on your diet. I just want everybody to know that.


A: Most people don't. Most gas goes away.

Q: What do the nuts do again? I'm sorry, I wasn't quite sure.

A: The nuts bind with neurological toxins, including hormones that are stored in the body from trauma.

Q: That's pretty cool.

A: And everybody detoxes trauma hormones, and you might go into that, oh, I hate this guy, because you had an incident with a guy before. Your father beat the shit out of you one time. And that neurological compound comes up. All of a sudden, you're looking at some other man in your life, and you're saying, I hate you, you bastard. And it's got nothing to do with him.

Q: Poor guy.

A: Exactly.

Q: So nuts, like there's something there. Nuts, like crazy nuts.

A: Crazy nuts, yes.

Q: There's cruciferous vegetables that are so healthy for you. That's a problem.

A: Pardon?

Q: The cruciferous vegetables that are so healthy for you is a problem. And that's the problem. So I thought, well, how can you go to work or anywhere, you know, if you are eating a lot of this?

A: Well, we're not made to digest vegetables.

Q: Right. So when you're eating those things.

A: They will cause gas.

Q: What do you eat? Be sure to eat with it to counter the effect.

A: No, you have vegetable juice. Vegetable juice is what you have, so you're not having whole vegetables. If you have, let's say you have a salad, you could eat some avocado with it. That would reduce the gas.

Q: Basically, because whether it's cooked or not, it's the cauliflower, the broccoli, the onions.

A: They'll cause gas with or without being cooked. Yeah.

Q: So there's really nothing.

A: We're not meant to digest them.

Q: The healthiest vegetables are the worst juice.

A: Yes, right. But you can have them as juice. You don't need the fiber. If you're on an all-raw diet, meat diet.

Q: Meat gives you enough fiber.

A: You don't need any fiber. Fiber is there for people who eat cooked foods because the foods have no vitamins and enzymes to properly digest. Peristalsis is reduced by two-thirds. So the food doesn't move. It putrefies, especially meats when they're cooked. So what happens is you eat vegetables with it to help give some vitamins and enzymes and boom you're through. But on a raw diet, whole vegetables will constipate you. They'll create the opposite effect. Because what happens is an herbivore has a digestive tract two and a half times longer than ours. They have 60,000 times more enzymes to disassemble the cellulose molecule to obtain fats and proteins. They have two to four stomachs. We have one. So what happens is we digest only a third of the vegetables, and that's mainly juice for the vitamins and enzymes and minerals. So what happens is by the time it gets down to the colon, it's still producing the alkalinity. The bowel has to be entirely acid or the E. coli won't feed on the faecal matter. And then we get constipated. Because on a diet like this, like all carnivores, they don't eat fiber, yet they move all the time unless they eat vegetables. If you eat vegetables, it prevents the bacteria from feeding on the faecal matter and sponging it out. A normal bowel movement for a human being should be 60% to 80% bacteria, mainly E. coli, that swells up and sponges it. The byproducts of that are B vitamins and amino acids, and the verotoxin, which shrinks tumors in two to seven days. The University of Toronto has been using the verotoxin produced by E. coli to completely dissolve human brain tumors in two to seven days, including the vessels going to the tumor. Hello, and they're telling us to worry about E. coli? I beg your pardon? That's a cancer preventative. All animals eat faecal matter except humans, I mean civilized humans.

Q: But if we're on this diet, do we really need to?

A: Well, I do recommend it for people who have terminal cancer. And I've seen it turn it around. I've seen so many people go downhill, and now if I can talk them into eating some faecal matter, it'll turn it around. It turns it around like crazy.

Q: So is that all that lactobacillus stuff -

A: That lactobacillus stuff is another marketing tool. It has nothing to do with the human body.

Q: So we didn't really have that in there? Or we do, and it's just a small percentage?

A: Well, there's lactobacillus, acidophilus, coccosus, and bulgaricus in raw milk. That's what raw milk is for, is to get the bacterial environment going in an animal. That's what milk is for. I use milk because I found that it relaxes a toxic system that is so toxic as the human from eating so much cooked food and all the pollution. When I try to not use dairy, people have much more difficulty with relaxation, ease of diet. It's difficult to get rid of their cravings. It's much more difficult. Raw milk is just like a drug. It's very helpful. The Indians used... One thing that gave me the clues, because when I lived with the American Indians for a while, the Yaqui Indians in Mexico, if someone got, let's say, a scorpion bite or a tarantula bite or a snake bite, it was poisonous. If they had a lactating animal, they raised goats, they had goat's milk. If they had a lactating animal, they would drink the milk rather than cut and suck because the milk would draw the poison to the stomach and then they would vomit. It worked so easily. It was miraculous.

Q: How much would you drink?

A: They drank about a cup.

Q: Oh, really?

Q: Is that different with the cream now? Do you need to have both the milk and the cream?

A: The cream will work to draw the poison to the stomach. It has to do with the combination of the lactic acids and the sugars and the proteins and the fats all together.

Q: What do you do to settle your stomach after you vomit?

A: Usually on this diet, there's nothing you have to do. You sip a cream if you want. A little cheese to absorb anything that's left in the stomach. A little cheese and butter. I mean a little cheese and cream. The cream will coat and soothe and the cheese will absorb any excess bile and any other toxins that's in the stomach. People who are nauseous all the time, it's a good idea to eat just little sugar cube-sized amounts of cheese, the no-salted raw cheese, every 20 minutes to 40 minutes to an hour, all day long. I prefer that people don't mix it with vegetable juice because, like I said, it may prevent the proper utilization of the vegetable juice and the cheese. But when you're in a situation like that, it's better to lose some nutrients from the juice and have the cheese absorb the toxins.

Q: What's the maximum amount of vegetable juice to have in a day and at a time?

A: Well, that's an individual thing. Sometimes I can go with six cups a day, but it can cause a protein deficiency if I have that too often. So I have to stay right at about four cups a day, and that's for most people. For you, you're a much larger person. You can do five to six a day. Five to six eight-ounce cups. And you might want to have 12 ounces at a time instead of eight ounces. There's more of you than I.

Q: I'd like to ask about the young man that I spoke with you about earlier who's about 13, 14 years old, and with the open-heart surgeries as an infant. And he's had some good results in the work that we've done together. He's focusing more. He's sleeping really well. And he's also not shaking quite as much. But it's obvious to me that there's a long road to go. So they've taken their first steps with the diet. And he does drink Cokes. He does attract to sugar. But he's been drinking the pie, the [unintelligible] magnetic water, so he's not having as much sugar now. He's not as attracted to it. So I began him with just the smoothie, and he now is using the raw eggs and the raw butter and the cream, and, you know, with the blueberries and so forth and honey. And they love sushi, so he's committed to having raw fish. A wonderful way to. . . He's very pale.

A: The question was asked was, is a child who had open-heart surgery what age?

Q: Infant, like a few days after he was born.

A: A few days after he was born, he had open-heart surgery. The child is pretty much crippled, paraplegic?

Q: Not at all.

A: No?

Q: No, he goes to school. He plays sports. But when he sits there, he's, like, always moving, difficulty focusing. I mean, now after two months with the far-infrared and magnetic, his teachers are calling up the parents and saying, he's focusing, he's doing his math, and what are you doing? But I just saw him the other day, and they're saying he's greatly improved, but I'm still seeing him out there, and he can't take sunlight.

A: Well, that's not necessarily mercury poisoning. I misunderstood. I thought he was somewhat crippled.

Q: I thought it was anesthesia, you know, from the surgeries, possibly.

A: Well, that kind of, it's very basic if he's just going like this. It means he's too thin. He doesn't have enough fat.

Q: He is very thin.

A: So what happens is every time he has sugar, the sugar goes into the myelin, makes lesions in the myelin to pull the fat out of it. So, you know, this is what happens, you know, when you have that kind of a thing.

Q: Right. That's the guy.

A: Yeah.

Q: You know the guy.

A: Lots of fat. Yeah, I was one of them.

Q: Right.

A: You have lots of them.

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A: Like I was saying, he's making more fresh cheese, more cultured and aged pressed cheese. You know, there's more enzyme activity in it. But most of the minerals will not be able to be utilized intercellularly. They'll still be good for detoxification, but there will be more enzyme activity in it.

Q: Okay, great. The combination that I've been eating is with meat and not just eating meat, but then at the end eating meat and with some butter.

A: At the end of what?

Q: Let's say if I have a portion of meat, the end portion of that meat, I have it with butter and bee pollen.

A: You mean you've eaten most of it and you have a few bites left and you want to eat it with bee pollen?

Q: Yeah, and the butter. I find that it's just, for me, it just helps. Is there any feedback on that?

A: It's good. It's fine.

Q: Okay.

A: If you want to increase cellular regeneration, it's best to have some royal jelly with it, about a pea-sized amount of royal jelly, because that's a precursor for the human growth hormone if you have it with meat. Bee pollen just adds more protein, and you're already concentrated in protein, so it's not really necessary, whereas the royal jelly would add something to your meat.

Q: Okay, because I was saying the bee pollen makes it because we have so many enzymes and coenzymes in it.

A: If you're having it with cheese, yeah, it will help.

Q: Oh, will it?

A: Yeah, it will help the digestion and utilization of the cheese.

Q: Oh, okay, because that's why I was mixing it with the butter. I figured that the enzymes and the fat of the butter...

A: Well, I can't say that there's a great deal of enzymes in the pollen.

Q: Oh, really?

A: It's high in protein. It's one of the most concentrated foods in fractionated protein and B vitamins, but it's not that high in enzymes.

Q: That's interesting, because from just my readings, I was told it has 5,000 enzymes and coenzymes.

A: That's when you digest it and utilize it. If you digest and utilize it, but it has to go through that process first.

Q: Okay.

A: Dividing it, I mean, fractionating it and re-utilizing it. Those proteins in the bee pollen will be re-assimilated into enzymes for doing all sorts of things in the human body.

Q: Interesting.

A: Because they're so concentrated in particles of protein.

Q: Okay.

A: Yes?

Q: [unintelligible] How much is too much?

A: I don't think I've ever had enough to try, nor I knew anybody else that had enough. I think it's so expensive and so rare that people don't need it, that much to be saturated with it. I remember one time I had probably a half a cup a day for about a month, and I just got tired of it, but I didn't get sick from it. So I can't say that there is a saturation point.

Q: Do you use royal jelly?

A: This is about 14- to 15-day-old high fish.

Q: Did you chew it?

A: Oh, yes, I chewed every morsel of it.

Q: Is it better to chew than to swallow?

A: Yes, because you'll absorb it right into the brain and everywhere. But it did cause a spinal meningitis and a spinal meningitis. So I was crippled for about a week and in a lot of pain for a while. But according to iridology, I still had 70% of my brain with scar tissue. After that forced inoculation, I mean forced inundation of that fish bacteria causing the meningitis, I got rid of 25% of the scar tissue within three months from the brain. So I'm not as dumb as I used to be.

Q: So, normally, can you have it every day?

A: It depends. Are you taking it to be happy? Oh, I'll let everybody know. The Eskimos eat high meat once a year and they eat a tremendous amount of it. And the kids will jump up and down and wave and cheer. Just go bananas for this stinky, awful, rotten, smelly, stinky stuff. And it smelled so bad I couldn't get within five feet of it without gagging.

Q: Well, I can ask you later about that personally because it's about dentistry. We talked to an Indian in Mexico, a shaman. He said that it's important that they not eat the fresh herbs, that you have certain drying times for each kind of herb. And that brings out a particular medicinal, sometimes esoteric capacity of it. So I'm wondering, what is the problem with doing dried herbs? Is it just that it's, does it actually detract anyway or is it just that it...

A: Yes, it detracts. What happens is whenever you have something dried like that, it takes about a million times more enzymes to rehydrate that, to go through the system, to get it to open up, to get those nutrients. Also, when you dehydrate it like that, any heavy metals in it are now toxic. They're free radicals. They're no longer bio-organically utilized. They're no longer ionically active. So any mercury lead that's in it becomes a poison, and that's what they use it for. It's a small dosage of poison. Even the arsenic in it is now poisonous. So it works only by poisoning your system, so your body stops its normal detoxification, which means it ends symptoms to deal with the poison in the blood and then the intestinal tract. So it's just like the American medical profession and their drugs. It poisons the system and temporarily stops symptoms, but does not aid or reverse or cure or heal the condition. So you still have the condition, you just postponed it and made it worse.

Q: [unintelligible]

A: Well, you have to understand, when you've got a culture that is starving and don't have the nutrients they use, like the Chinese, the lackeys were forced to live mainly on grain, mainly rice. Their doctors have to work within that framework if the government tells them that's their diet. They have to find some kind of method to keep them working and active and not in detox all the time. So they die earlier. That's the loss of a lackey. He's just a machine. Basically, that's the way they looked at it. So they used herbs and they would try to figure out anything they could, because if they couldn't do it, they didn't have a job. They were out in the fields with the other lackeys. So they had to become ingenious and work within that framework. And when you eat a herb that's dried like that, it only turns acid. There's no alkalinity anymore. That turns acid because those minerals are now free radical. So they become more dominant instead of the alkalinizing minerals being dominant like in fresh, especially in juice. It becomes just the opposite. The free radicals are dominant and start grabbing onto everything. So the acids are more prevalent.

Q: We did a little experimentation on different fresh herbs to see if we can get some of the same effect. I just heard that some of the good things happen with this.

A: In the early 70s, I did two years of experiment with fresh and cooked. Always the results were bad from cooking. But the results were good with fresh. But I did not document it. It was just my own experience and a couple of other people. It was good. Like I said in my book, Beyond the Leaf, something I still have to do, something I'd like to do. But I can't say that the same thing that's in your herb book is going to be the way it will react in a raw state.

Q: This lady has not asked a question.

A: She's all ears.

Q: I have a question which I've been trying to get in about five times now.

A: You mean I'm ignoring you, Brenda?

Q: Yes.


A: That's because you pinched me because I didn't wear the green.

Q: For the benefit of someone in the group, what would you recommend if they were to be diagnosed with thyroid cancer?

A: Say that again? Diagnosed with what?

Q: Thyroid cancer.

A: Thyroid cancer? Well, it depends upon what's causing it. They may have mercury in there. They could have a dozen different compounds in there. So it would be based on getting rid of that and reversing the accumulation of dead cells, which is a tumor. See, I don't know what it is. It could be iodine supplements, which is a mineral poisoning, because that can dissolve tissue in an area where it stores. Iron supplements can do it. They can rust in the body. The whole iron supplement thing is such a joke. I mean, you're taking metals where you're taking... You're not taking a food substance that could be absorbed properly. You're taking metal into your body that's going to rust in contact with moisture. And I see it in people's systems all the time, especially in people who have been diagnosed with anemia. I'll find pockets of rust in their system. And that's where they're breaking down. So the object is to find out what metal it is, try to get rid of it, if it is a metal, or if it's just the liver not working. And that's a particular area that is weak in that person. There has to be some toxicity in that area for it, if it's degenerative in any way. If it's just a cancer because the liver isn't working, and the body's not able to dissolve dead cells, and it's collecting dead cells everywhere in the body. I found in 90-some percent of the cases that the body will develop a tumor in a strong area. So the body can dissolve it and get rid of it pretty easily later. So it doesn't create a tremendous malfunction. So that person's thyroid could be healthy thyroid. And then it'd be forming there. So then it's a whole different approach to removing it. But if you really want to get rid of it, do things that get... It's always the liver that's involved. And the liver's not making the fats to dissolve dead cells. So you collect dead cells, and whether it's a benign tumor or it's a malignant tumor, it doesn't make any difference except that it's preferable to have a malignant tumor because you can dissolve it in days. If it's a benign tumor, it could take 20 years to dissolve. The cancer cell has an acid fluid in it, so when it dies, it sets out that serum. It's a solvent, and it dissolves all the surrounding dead cells. So then your body can break it down and discard it easily. But when your body has to go into a benign tumor, it has to make the solvent to dissolve the compound, neutralize it, and send it back out the body. It's a long, slow process unless you're on a good diet for a long time. So benign tumors are opposite of the medical profession. Benign tumors are less desirable than malignant.

Q: So they use the fats to kill it.

A: Well, if the liver's working, so you have to get the liver working. Then fats are important to dissolve the dead cells and get rid of it. And, of course, you could always eat faecal matter. To give you an example, Lori, a girl who's on the diet, came to me. She'd been chronically fatigued for eight years. She had cancer of the right breast, hip bone, the femur joint, and the hip bone, and the right kidney, and it was attached to the adrenal gland. She didn't have any medical therapy. She just went on the diet, and after two years, she broke the chronic fatigue, but there was no shrinkage of the appearance of the toxins that were in the areas where she had tumors. There was the right breast, which was one-third larger than the left, was full of lumps like rocks, and I mean it was like a whole bag of rocks. In that two-year period, almost all of them had dissolved to where it just fell. There were maybe four or five of them only instead of 30 to 40 small lumps that were like hardened callous tissue rather than rocks. There was a shrinkage of that, but in the iris, there was no indications of the removal of the toxic conditions for those three areas. I ran into the work by Dr. Arab at the University of Toronto that used E. coli, the verotoxin-improved E. coli, to shrink the brain tumors in two to five days, so I suggested that she try some faecal matter. I told her she could just eat the faecal matter, one ounce or two ounces at a time, or put it on meat and let it incubate in there, let the E. coli eat on the meat, and then eat that. It's everything the medical profession and scientific community tell you not to do. She did it both ways. She ate about two ounces of faecal matter and then grew some. Within three months, all of the tumors in every area shrunk by about a third. Then she went to Hawaii a year ago. I guess it was about this time, and they slaughtered a goat or a sheep, and she ate about a cup of the faecal matter from near the end of the sheep's bowel. When she returned, and I checked her irises about four months later, it had dissolved another third in all those areas. It always followed within months of doing the faecal matter. She would go five, eight, nine months without any change in it.

Q: What accounts for the delay, like the few months?

A: It takes time. Bacteria just doesn't go in and disappear. If you were to inject it right into the area like Dr. Arab did, then you've got it right in the area. But when you eat it, it has to find its way.

Q: Does that interest you then, is going more immediately direct onto the area you did it?

A: No, it doesn't, because that scares me, because you may be injecting something in there that could cause a side effect. You know, you'd let the body do it slowly. It's much brighter than you are.

Q: That's my [unintelligible] on it, okay.

Q: It's much brighter than we are.

Q: How does the faecal matter taste?

A: It just tastes like, you know, she's eaten and I've eaten it with her. You know, gopher faecal matter, sheep faecal matter, goat faecal matter, buffalo faecal matter. She's eaten my faecal matter. I've not eaten mine. It always tastes like, basically, if it's from an herbivore, it tastes like the grass. It just tastes like grass, whatever they're eating. It tastes like the herb. Mine, I eat meat and all that stuff, and berries, so I don't know what mine tastes like. You'll have to ask Lori about that.

Q: So you go hunting around with buffalo and [unintelligible]. Patty out and it should be fresh.

A: You want the bacteria fresh.

Q: Question.

A: Yes. This will be the last.

Q: I have a room that has a lot of mold and stuff on the beach, so I use an ionizer, and I heard in some of your tapes you don't like ionizers. This is a broad-spectrum ionizer.

A: Well, it doesn't make any difference. If you take a look at the molecule, when you start putting ions in the air, there are chain reactions. If you've got a heavy toxin in the air, and it becomes bound by an ion that's shooting, and it gets into your lungs or your tissue, what's going to happen? It's going to fuse into your tissue. I don't mind them as long as you turn them on while you're not in the house, or have it on a timer. Don't go into the house until it's been off for 20 minutes, because that chain reaction continues for about 20 minutes.

Q: So I can use it?

A: You can use it, just don't be in the house when it's going.

Q: What good is it?

A: It gets rid of toxic substances floating in your environment. It will go into your curtains and your walls everywhere, and everything. It will embed there, but you don't want it to embed in your lungs and body.

Q: So it works on everything?

A: Right.

Q: It works on mold?

A: It works on everything. It will break everything down. It's like a chain reaction with atomic bombs.

Q: So the same thing if you ozonate it too, because that's pretty radical, then just shut it off and let the room stabilize.

A: And if you have a moisturizer going, it will settle quicker. Some moisture in the air. As long as it's dry, that can go on for two hours after you shut it down.

Q: Yeah, because I'm living in a dry area right now.

A: Get a humidifier if you're going to do that.

Q: Okay.

A: And turn the ionizer off for 20 minutes before you go into the house, but leave the humidifier on during that 20 minutes.

Q: Okay, I can do that. Thank you.

A: You're welcome. Okay, folks, that's it. We've shot her two hours.

Q: [unintelligible]

A: Come over here in the sunlight.

Q: [unintelligible]

A: Your right teste is starting to debilitate, but it's still functional. The left one's a little bit better. It's starting to debilitate a little bit. Somebody write this down for him when I start getting suggestions, and also all this stuff. Anemia, like your red blood cells are not healthy red blood cells. I would suggest about 70% red meat for about a year and a half, 18 months, and then you can cut it down to about 50-50.

Q: Okay.

A: Juice I would recommend about 50% celery, 40% summer squash to get rid of this metal poisoning, and 10% carrot just to soothe the tissue. Normally I give lots of parsley to utilize the oxygen properly, and you need that, but I think that the only reason you're not utilizing the oxygen is because of the metal poisoning, not because you don't assimilate oxygen. It's just that the metals, the free radicals are always usurping the oxygen, so that's why I'm not giving you a lot. Next time I come in two months, if you're here, if I come in two months, the next time I see you, if I see that it hasn't changed, then I would suggest that you eat some parsley.

Q: Okay, so you said 50 celery, 40 summer squash, 10 carrots?

A: Correct.

Q: How many times a day?

A: Probably four cups a day.

Q: And the meat, do I eat fish with it at all?

A: It's always better to eat some fish with the beef if you're eating the red meat, just so you don't become overly acidic. Fruit for you would be pineapple with an equal amount of either coconut cream, raw cream, or butter. You need lots of honey, you're enzyme deficient. You have symptoms similar to lots of vegetarians, so you're lacking a lot of protein enzymes, so you need a lot of honey.

Q: Okay, good, because just in the past month or so I've been going raw, so I would hate to have seen what you would have said a month ago. You're right about the metals, I know about that. You're right about the right kidney. I didn't know about that. I had suspicions about the thyroid, but not so much about being on a raw diet.

A: It would improve.

Q: Improve, okay.

A: I mean, you need a little bit. Because I only eat it once every two to three days. You need a little bit, don't eat much.

Q: Okay, so I was having half an apple with my avocado. Is that an okay thing?

A: Probably not the best.

Q: So apple isn't a good thing?

A: Avocado is fine because it's mainly fat and protein. There's practically no sugar in it, no carbs in it. But I'm talking about sweet or subacid fruits that are too high in sugar. Apple is very high in sugar, and it also is a sugar that penetrates the system and gets in and over-excites the adrenal glands. That's one of the reasons in the Bible that because it would cause irritability because it was so radically sugary, it would raise the blood sugar level and make people irritable, and that created a bad social environment.

Q: Okay, and I believe I was being pulled towards heart or liver.

A: Well, that's because your liver is so metal-poisoned. I would eat a lot of liver. You still need muscle meat if you want to develop muscle.

Q: I was doing top or top round.

A: Top round, bottom round, sirloin, any of those are good.

Q: And what about heart?

A: Heart's good. It's a great muscle.

Q: And then something about the intestines after the first stomach. I think there's two stomachs in a cow.

A: Two to four.

Q: Okay, and so it's part of the intestines after the first stomach.

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A: Next.

Q: It must be a biological twin.

A: Okay, your ovaries are very overactive. The right one is debilitating about 50%, so that's starting to disintegrate. Your pancreas is edemic on both sides. It's almost completely debilitated on the left. On the right, it's debilitating. About probably 20%, 25% active. I wouldn't have more than one piece of fruit a day. Of course, always with some fats. Lots of bile throughout your entire system. It looks like your body didn't get enough fat, so you get bile in place of fat for binding with poison. It's a very caustic substance. It'll make you very dry and irritable and tense. You've got it everywhere. So you're going to yellow. You're going to get orange sometimes and discharge. In fact, you might even discolor and get brown spots. Orange spots that turn brown for a while, so it looks like you maybe had a sunburn and only in one spot or one area, and it'll go away.

Q: I've just seen that now on my hands.

A: There's even more in your face than there is in your hand. You can see how it's discharging. Basically, your tissues are in pretty good shape. They're just poisoned by all this bile. You should have pretty good recuperative abilities. Your intestines are in terrible shape. Looks like even some gangrenous tissue on the left side. Thyroid's in good shape on the right side. Parathyroid doesn't look like it's functioning. There's a little bit of mound around the tonsils. On one side, it's flat, and the other side, it isn't. It looks like this side was removed, probably both removed, and maybe the lymph glands are supporting it. Did you have your tonsils removed?

Q: No, I still have it there.

A: It must be really deteriorating for your [unintelligible].

Q: Before I started this, I was vegetarian for years.

A: They probably just ate away. The left thyroid is okay, not working very much. Parathyroid is okay. Poor circulation in the left side of the spine, just below the shoulder blade, down to the waist. Circulation in the gonads is limited. I would suggest about 60% to 70% red meat and 30% to 40% white meat, about half and half fowl and seafood. Juice. Oh, the salts. I suggest 80% celery, 20% parsley. Don't complicate it. For some reason, your [unintelligible] has very little metal poisoning in the body. You have it around your ears and in your eardrums.

Q: [unintelligible]

A: Usually it doesn't. It probably would contaminate your gonads, your ovaries, and your intestines. [unintelligible]

Q: No, I did not. [unintelligible]

A: You can recover better than anybody else. Unless it's hidden, buried deep in the bones. Cartilage could be buried.

Q: It was just recently. And then after that is when I started getting all these things. I do have a diabetes.

A: [unintelligible] on this side is still about 20-25% active over here. So overall, if you take that 25% and cut it in half, that's the whole function. I think it's a function of about 12%. But you can still handle one piece of fruit-