Mark Ottobre Interview

Hey hey folks it's Maximus Mark and welcome to today's show on Raw Food.

Yes that's right Raw Food.

Now I know what you might be thinking, raw food that's not for me.

However consider for a second that maybe just maybe there is something that you're missing.

Today I want to separate the facts from the fiction about raw food and I couldn't think of any better guest to do that than the one I have today.

He is one of if not the world's leading authority on raw food.

As you may know or not know I personally eat a lot of my food raw or at least next to raw.

I mean I eat raw eggs cooked by meat for about 3.2 seconds on each side.

However I still cook my chicken, turkey and lightly steam my vegetables.

However today's guest Aajonus Vonderplanitz has not only treated and cured himself consuming raw foods, he has treated thousands of patients using these methods.

By the way some of these foods are not just raw but they're rotten raw foods which you can read about in his book We Want to Live.

Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with raw food today you're going to be treated to an insight into raw food that is very rare from Ajaunus who has been doing this for four decades.

Even if there's no way you're ever going to eat raw meat you'll be definitely going to learn something today that you didn't already know.

Ajaunus's outlook on nutrition is completely different and in that there is wisdom we can all learn from.

So with that said welcome to the show Ajaunus.

Are you there?

Well thank you.

You're most welcome.

I'm here.

Yeah I'll just put up the volume.

Yeah there you go that's much better.


So would you be able to share with our listeners that your amazing story of how you became the raw food authority that you are today?

Well I started off being very sick.

I was born in a very sickly violent household and I just progressively got worse and worse as I got older and when I got to 12 years old my third polio vaccine caused diabetes and angina.

So I had about 300 heart attacks from the age of 16 and a half to 22.

Also at 18 months old I received a tetanus shot.

The third tetanus shot that made me autistic so I had learning disabilities all throughout childhood up to adulthood.

And when I hit 19 years old I developed an ulcer that turned tumorous from medical therapies and then the medical therapy for that tumor was surgery and that metastasized and became tumorous at the entire abdominal area so they radiated it and that gave me blood and bone cancer.

And then they gave me chemotherapy even though I only had a one percent chance of living it made me a complete invalid.

So I looked at dying.

I was given a few weeks to live after I stopped the chemotherapy and a volunteer from the hospice, who's a young 8 year old African man, offered me care juice and raw milk.

And if you've ever had chemotherapy or radiation poisoning and surgeries all back to back everything you eat tastes like cardboard or postage stamps.

So it was truly grueling everything that I ate was just miserable.

Of course my diet was the common standard sad American diet.

I blended donuts because the radiation therapy also deteriorated the bone around my teeth.

So my teeth just started my gums and dangled and if I bit down on my own teeth I bled profusely up to half a cup at a time.

And I was getting transfusions one to two a week because of that.

So I had to drink everything week.

So I had my donuts and RC Cola or Sprite all blended together and that was my diet.

And then this young boy offered the raw milk and care juice to me and they tasted wonderful.

All cooked processed food tasted horrible.

Did you say that you had 300 heart attacks?

300 heart attacks yes between the age of 15 and a half and 22.

How is that possible 300?

That's an awful lot of heart attacks.

Well because I was autistic I was not inclined I was not indoctrinated as most people were.

So I was not told it was a bad thing.

And also when they found me passed out I only passed out about 50 times of that 300.

And in the times that I passed out around people like at school of course I was rushed to the hospital they could find nothing wrong with the heart.

In other words they were just looking for congenital heart disease or mineralization or some kind of blockage.

Some kind of congestion in the heart.

They couldn't find any.

They weren't looking for the medical drugs from the mercury, the liquid mercury, the aluminum, the formaldehyde, the ether, the detergents, all of those compounds that are in vaccines in that polio vaccine that started it.

So they don't look for their cause because of course they will be blamed and they could get sued.

So they don't look for those kinds of reasons for heart attacks.

So they could never find anything wrong.

Thank God or else they would have treated me for it.


So in saying that the heart attacks were of a minor variety they weren't fully full-blown heart attacks?

Is that the way they were?

Full-blown heart attacks.

Because I was autistic and not conditioned to be in fear whenever I had pain and I had pain all my life.

If I lifted my arm for two minutes I had pain, severe pain.

So when I had the heart attacks it was just a matter of relaxing into the pain.

Most people fight it and when you fight a charley horse what happens?

You get more pain.


That's what a heart attack is.

A heart attack is a charley horse in your muscle, the heart muscle.

That's what the heart is, 90% muscle.


So I was able to pass through it without death.

Although it's excruciatingly painful every time.


Well let's move on to why we booked the call today.

This question is definitely for the listeners out there but can you tell us why do you eat your food raw?

Well it makes me feel better and it tastes great.

Scientifically when you cook foods you not only destroy, cauterize and transform all of your nutrients in the food, you create at least 32 known toxins.

Three of the major which are lipid peroxides, heterocyclic amines and your lipid peroxides.


I was on a call a little while ago and I actually had someone on.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with him but Randy Roach and he told me a story about...


Yeah, Randy.

He said that one time when I think you went to the toilet, you thought that wasn't food and you extracted it and you found that actually wasn't food.

Your body was detoxing some of the chemotherapy that you had used before.

Can you talk a little bit about that?

Well about, you know, it's like an oil spill.

Do you know anything about the Baltaz oil spill or any oil spill?

They'll clean up maybe 30% of it and then 70% the earth has to gradually neutralize those poisons.

Well the body does the same thing.

It takes very long.

According to Dr. Francis Pottinger and Dr. Howell's work separately on animals, we found that it took four to five generations to detoxify the animal.

Just one second.

I think you have another call.

If we just want to pause the call.

No, there's a...

I know the jungles of Thailand on the out edges of the jungle.

So it just may drop once in a while.

Oh, okay.

Because there's this beeping noise.

Oh, it's just gone.

I don't know what it was but there was definitely a beeping noise.

Sorry, continue what you were saying.

The body needs to detoxify itself.

Yeah, so the body's taking a long time to detoxify.

And when we detoxify, 90% of the poisons are supposed to leave the skin.

However, we're so sick in our intestine and throughout the skin, jammed in the lymphatic system that most people don't so they will dump into the stomach and intestines a lot of poisons.

Whenever you vomit or have diarrhea, that's the body dumping those poisons quickly.

And I have a patient one time who had cancer and most cancer patients who are near the end of reversing or at the point where they're completely reversing cancer have a terrible flu or a vomit and diarrhea spell.

And this one particular woman, she wasn't very old, maybe 38 years old, very young to me because I'm nearly 65.

And she vomited for eight weeks.

Well, after, yeah, that's the longest I've ever seen.

The longest I've seen before that is six weeks.

So I had about four ounces or two or four ounces of her vomit analyzed for poison and toxicity, not bacteria, like the medical profession always detects the bacteria, the natural part of your body.

But there's always some kind of contaminant, industrial contaminant to cause a disease.

Whether it's just cooking your food, that's an industrial process.

So I sent her off to the lab and the lab called me two days later and said, somebody's poisoning your patient.

I said, what do you mean?

And he said, well, we have to report it.

Anytime we find a level of thallium that's high in the body, we have to report it to the police and to the doctor.

And I said, I don't think anything like that is happening.

Nobody's poisoning her.

She used to be a metallurgist.

She made silver jewelry, never wore a mask, never wore gloves, and was right over the buns and burner.

And what's in silver?

Thallium and mercury.

So she had 3000 times the amount that would kill a person in that amount of vomit.

I've had the same thing in many other analysis of my vomit and my feces and diarrhea, that is, when it occurred.

Probably have done about over 100 tests on those various compounds.

And the chemotherapy, I had the antifreeze.

We used antifreeze for a while as a chemotherapy in 1968.

They outlawed it the next year because it was too dangerous and too deadly.

And that's what they gave me.

I vomited as much as two weeks ago.

It's been 42 years since I had it, the ACT.

So you're saying you're still detoxifying these things in your system now?


Well, when they gave me the irradiated me, they caused a huge ball of scar tissue, which was non-malignant.

It's a tumor.

And it's been resting just outside the stomach because they committed the surgery.

And that's where the tumor developed, all the way from the stomach lining out to my skin at my sternum.

So each year, it gradually goes down.

And when it goes down a lot, I will usually be in excruciating back pain, where the center of the radiation bulb was, and all along that large swelling in there, that benign tumor.

Now, it was about the size of my fist, up down to about the size of four beans.


And each year, I figure it's good.

So massive improvement.

So, obviously, when we talk about raw food, most people assume that we mean raw vegetables.

But that's not what we mean.

We mean raw meat.

So can you talk a little bit about why raw meat?

Well, the reason for raw meat is you have to take a look at your animal structure, gastronomical physiology.

A lot of vegetarians claim that we have teeth for chewing vegetation.

It's just the opposite of what we have.

We have 90% cutting teeth and only 10% grinding teeth.

And all of our bacteria in the mouth, or like 98% of the individual, 95% to 98% of that bacteria is putrefactive bacteria.

Putrefactive bacteria digest simple tissue, whether it's milk or meat, or some other form of animal tissue.

That's what we digest.

When the food moves down into the stomach, what do we have?

Hydrochloric acid.

Hydrochloric acid is designed for animal products again, meats, dairy.

And then the bacteria that is introduced also into the stomach and duodenum, the lower part of the duodenum.

We have one stomach, almost two chambers.

The lower part is usually called the duodenum.

And it is full of 90% putrefactive bacteria to digest animal products again.

All throughout the intestines, the small and the large intestines are the same. 92 to 95% of all the gastronomical bacteria in your intestines that digest food is putrefactive.

Let me ask you this.

There are paleolithic dieters out there who would say from an evolutionary standpoint, we still ate a mixture of cooked and raw food, or at least we definitely ate some cooked food.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that we only ate raw food?

Well, I think that probably for millions of years we did.

Maybe in the last 20,000, maybe periodically here and there they cooked.

But most of these people who do all that theorizing have no clue what it's like to live outdoors.

I lived outdoors for three years off of a bicycle all the way from Yucatan, Mexico, all the way up to Alaska.

I lived with four Indian tribes.

And let me tell you, when you live outdoors and you have to make a fire every time, it's not worth it.

If it's raining, you certainly can't do it.

If it's windy, you certainly can't do it. 90% of the time if you're living outdoors, it's strenuous environment like it is living outdoors, unless you're in the tropics, it's very difficult to make fire.

And it's very inconvenient.

Also, you have to consider that our intestinal tract is two and a half times smaller than any other herbivore.

Herbivores eat vegetation, leaves, stalks, and roots.

And we have, they have 60,000 times more enzymes to disassemble the cellulose molecule to get the fats and the protein.

Even if you look at the feces of an herbivore, whether it's a cow, goat, or whatever, you'll see that a lot of the fiber still is not digested.

And it takes them two days, they have 48 hours to digest that food.

Ours passes through in 24 hours.

So we're not equipped to be herbivores.

We're not equipped to digest and be thriving with vegetation.

Yeah, absolutely.

I tried it for six and a half years, and it just didn't work.


Well, just, I guess, just focusing more on the, I guess, the cooking side of things.

Do you have any theories or, you know, anything that you've found that suggests why we, like, like the way I understand it is that, you know, raw food eating, in what you teach, raw food, tell me if this is wrong, that raw food eating is more, is healthier, is more nutritious than cooking your food.

So can you find, have you found anything that says why we actually started cooking our food if eating raw is more, more healthy?

Well, living outdoors and when you carry your food and you see you've got a dead animal, the odor gets, gets pretty strong.

And if you're not very used to it, or you, you know, you just don't like the odor constantly, a lot of, a lot of people would cook their food for that reason.


Because the odors, it also kept a lot of animals away.

Cooking it?

The fire process and cooking it.

So a lot of animals wouldn't eat the cooked meat that they would, the raw meat.


I saw, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of listeners out there who have probably seen that clip where you're on that show in the, I think in the States, it's called The Doctors.

And Yeah.


You eat the raw chicken.

One of the, one of the questions a lot of people have been asking me is, you know, doesn't, how would you answer this question?

Doesn't raw chicken and raw meat give you food poisoning?

No, never.

The only thing that gives you food poison are chemicals, additives in food.

Even if you have high meat, and I lived with several cohabs that eat high meat, and high meat means that you let it decay, that you let it get very stinky, that you let the bacteria in the meat and in nature pre-digested for you.

The Turks will even take gangrene, and we're told gangrene's awful, and they'll coat a whole side or a whole beef with this gangrene, go back three or four days later, scrape off the outer inch, and then you've got gangrene bacteria throughout it, which softens the meat, it tenderizes it.

Because in our intestines, 80 to 90% of digestion is bacterial.

Only 10 to 20% is acidic, enzyme activity, like digestive juices, like hydrochloric acid.

The bacteria eats the food, its byproducts, its secretions, whether it's urine or feces, that bacteria is our food, that's how we eat.

And the medical profession and of course the food industry definitely don't want you to realize that or take that to mind, because then you'll no longer be afraid of bacteria.

What you will be afraid of is the real things that cause disease, which is industrial pollution, additives to food, that's what causes poisoning.

So we will see a doctor that will analyze for a particular kind of bacteria if you have vomit and diarrhea.

You're always going to have bacteria, because you have one human gene to every 150 bacterial genes.

You're always going to find bacteria everywhere.

We're 150% bacteria and 1% human.


So let me get your take on, obviously supermarket meats are completely different to grown meats.

Can you comment on supermarket meats and how cows are fed grains when they're obviously meant to feed grass, and what they're doing to chickens and pigs and all these types of things.

Would you ever eat supermarket meat raw?

Only when I had to, when I had nothing else.

And it's not frequently that I do that.

Would you give them hormones and antibiotics?

And mostly, unless they're grass fed animals, 90% of what they're fed are byproducts from making cereals and other foods.

They feed them chemically processed meats, completely inundated with over 60,000 chemicals.

That's what they feed 90% of the animals.

All animals eat raw except for humans.


In that case, would you ever consider, because obviously the animals from the supermarket, would you ever advise someone to cook supermarket products because of the fact that if they're going to eat supermarket products, it would be advisable to cook supermarket products?

Well, because I've never done it, I've never experimented with eating cooked meat from the supermarket.

I couldn't tell you firsthand knowledge.

However, I've done chemical analysis on them and the amount of poisons that are released from the cooking process is five times that of when you eat it raw.

So I guess in a nutshell, what you're saying is that it's always better to eat raw.

It's always better to eat raw and also if you're going to cook, it's still better to eat organic.

Yeah, definitely.

Obviously, yeah.

Definitely get it from the local farmer and get all organic.

Now, you eat your meats raw.

Every time I talk about raw food to people, they assume I mean vegetables.

Now, vegetables contain natural pesticides known as lectins.

Are lectins say in broccoli an issue?

And in fact, what's your take on eating vegetables raw and is the lectins a problem?

Well, as I said, I don't eat vegetation.

You don't eat any vegetation at all?

No, I do not eat any vegetation at all.


Well, once in a while, I eat a little bit of raw sugarcane, maybe once in a while, a tiny bit of carrot that's made here, and I'm talking about a tablespoon, but I juice my vegetables.

You juice them?

We don't digest raw food.

We only digest 2% of vegetables and that should be the juice.

So that's what I do.

I juice my vegetables.

All right.

How do you go about juicing when you're outdoors?

Obviously, it's going to be very hard.

How do you go about juicing when you're out?

Because you said you spend a lot of time outdoors?


Well, I'll chew the vegetables and spit out the pulp, bottle the juice.


So that's how you solve that one.

Is there any, I guess, for the listeners out there, hard and fast rules about eating raw?

As in like, is there any certain preparations that you think they should do?

I say, go eat what your body digests best.

Gastronomically, and of course, that's raw dairy, raw meats, raw vegetable juices, raw fruit, if you're going to eat them, maybe very small amounts of those other things and large amounts of dairy and eggs.

Eggs are probably the easiest to eat.

Rules are don't mix vegetable juice with any of the other foods, maybe a little bit of raw cream or a little raw milk.

The vegetable juice will alkalinize the stomach, digestive juices and intestinal juices, so that you won't digest any protein that accompanies that.

Vegetables and fruits alone, or fruits with milk or with cheese or cream, butter, things like that.

You brought up a very good topic there about alkalinity and acidic.

Can you give us what you believe to be true with the whole alkaline being acidic?

Because obviously you're talking about not eating any vegetables, and a lot of people will turn around and say, well, won't that make you very highly acidic because you're eating all this meat?

Can you elaborate a little bit more on that for our listeners?

Well, normally, the tribes that I live in, who are raw meat eaters, there are three in Africa, the Sambulu, the Fulani, and the Maasai.

They each eat a little differently.

The Fulani mainly 90% dairy.

The Sambulu and Maasai are very close to about 60% meat.

Anywhere from 35% to 60% of the rest is dairy.

They're all the strongest, healthiest tribes in the world.

The Eskimo eats only meats, doesn't eat any dairy, and mostly raw.

The Inuit ones are still living there.

The Inuit, they still eat mainly meat, no dairy, no vegetables.

They chew on some berries in the summertime, like blueberries, wild blueberries, and I would call it grizzly berries.

There's no real rule involved in all of that.

The acidity in all of those tribes are acid.

They have a 5-5 of blood, they have a 5-5 urine, and they have an average of 5-5 feces and saliva.

It's all supposed to be acidic.

These are the healthiest tribes that have absolutely no disease, not even from dental care.

Can you imagine going from life to over 140 years old and having no tooth decay?

I think that's pretty amazing.

So the acidity thing, now because I was raised in an industrial society with lots of processed foods and additives, my body is over-acidic.

So I do have vegetable juices and a little fruit to add alkalinity to that.

All of the people about, oh, your body has to be alkaline, and your blood has to be alkaline, and your digestive tract has to be alkaline, are not even observing the gastronomical history and makeup of the human.

They're just theorizing, oh, it should be, it should be.

It has nothing to do with reality.

People that are on high-alkaline diets with disease get worse, not better.

I put them on high-acidic diets like this.

Of course, with the vegetable juice, which is alkalinizing, you kind of balance the industrial pollution, which is good, along with acidity, and they get healthy very quickly.

I mean, that's, I'd say 90, not that far, about 85 to 86 percent of the people who go on my final diet get well quickly.

It happens big time.

Would you just be able to just speak up just a tiny bit?

Because it is just breaking up a little bit.

What have I got in the last part of what you said?

And it was really fantastic what you said.

I guess the take-home message is people who advocate an alkaline diet are missing the point that we were never meant to be alkalinic.

We were actually meant to be acidic.

Is that what you're saying?

Yes, and that the toxic acidity that is in the human body is from industrial pollution.

It's not a natural bacterial or animal acidity.

Right, that's some good points.

Okay, so let's just switch gears.

What do you think of the role of supplements that they play in a healthy diet?

Well, supplements are industrial pollution.

Whether you're taking it from a natural substance, or whether you're mining it from the earth, or you're making it in a chemistry lab, you have to use heat or solvents to separate things.

So you take corn and you want the vitamin E from it, and you want the, let's say, vitamin A from it.

And a lot of that goes on.

What does the laboratory do?

Somebody goes to a laboratory person and says, I want to make a natural vitamin.

I want to make vitamin A and vitamin E. How can you make it for me?

The laboratory wants some business.

And they say, absolutely, we can make you a natural vitamin A and vitamin E. So they have to grow the corn to do it.

And if they go through that process, a bottle of, let's say, 1,000 units of vitamin E, or one, let's say, you know, about five drops will cost you $1,000 to make.

So what the laboratory does, it goes to General Foods, buys their corn mesh, all the byproduct of making their cereals, which have been processed with chemicals and heat and all kinds of things.

That laboratory box does not use any more chemicals except for a natural one, and that is kerosene.

Kerosene is natural, but would you drink it?


It's a poison, even though it's natural.

Arsenic is a poison.

It is natural, but it's a poison.

You don't eat those things in concentrations because it poisons in concentrations.

So they use this derivative to extract the nutrients, which you have.

You take a peach or almond, any food, soak it in kerosene for 20 to 30 minutes, rinse it off and eat it.

And think that you're not going to have kerosene that seeps its way into the tissue.

So you're saying that the biggest problem with all...

All supplements are made chemically, and once they're isolated, they're no longer the same vitamin anymore.

They have no relationship.


And about dehydrated things like, say, for example, green powder, which has been dehydrated and then mixed.

Do you still see a problem with those things like that?

You can't digest it.

Give it to a cow or a horse or a pig, you know, or a goat.

They could digest something dried like that.

You eat dried grass all the time.


Well, let me ask you this question.

Now, I'm a guy, as a lot of the listeners out there, you know, they want to achieve optimal body composition in obviously as short as time as possible.


So, you know, training for the sake of training.

You know, many of the listeners will be on the call who fit into that category.

We want to look strong.

We want to be strong and we want to be lean.

What raw foods and what things could they do that could benefit them today?

Well, you can go to Scott Wheeler's website right there in Australia.

He's in Sydney.

What was his name?

He's on the primal diet.

Scott Wheeler.

Scott Wheeler.


Scott Wheeler.

And he's been on the diet for about three years and you should see how ripped and strong and big his muscles are.

They're huge.

I had thought to have people go, I remember a 61 year old man who came to me and he'd been skinny all of his life.

And every time he tried to work out, he'd get sick.

So he went on the diet.

He was on the diet for about a year and he said, oh, can I bodybuild on this diet?

And I said, yeah, just eat lots of butter with your meat.

You know, he was about six one.

So he was eating two pounds of meat a day with a, what I call the lubrication moisturizing formula in my book, which is a combination of raw butter, a little bit of raw honey, a little bit of raw lemon juice, and you know, just blend that all together.

So it's butter, lemon juice, and honey basically is all it is.

And you blend that together and you, oh, excuse me, an egg, one or two eggs in it, raw eggs.

So you blend that all together.

It tastes like a lemon meringue drink.

And you have that with your meat, like say a cup of it, or a half a cup with, you know, depending upon your size, a half pound to a whole pound of meat twice daily.

So how many- Put on four inches on his arms and about six inches on his waist.

I mean, excuse me, on his chest.


So how much butter would someone use in that?

That would be about probably eight to 16 tablespoons daily.

Eight to 16 tablespoons?



And how much honey?

Oh, about, it depends if you like it sweet, if it's just better with the honey, anywhere from a half a tablespoon to a whole tablespoon.


All right.

And lemon, lemon about anywhere from, you know, a half a tablespoon to a whole tablespoon of lemon juice.

And one, two, three eggs.

All right.

And how many times a day would you have that drink?

Twice daily.

If you're having, if you want to build quickly, muscle quickly, two meat meals daily.

Two daily.

All righty.

And question, another question.

Did you want to finish what you were saying?

Well, what I was going to say was you have some of that lubrication formula with each meat meal.

That way you don't burn up your meat in fuel, but fat will be there to burn.


A lot of people have trouble building muscles because they stay on a fat-free diet and the body keeps turning the protein into pyruvate or an acetate to burn as fuel.

On this diet, people build quickly and fully.

So I have a, I have a question from a Facebook, Facebook question, actually.

Are there any things that you should not eat raw and why?

Apart from the vegetables, I guess.

Poisoned mushrooms.

I'm going to suggest that nobody eats poisoned mushrooms.

Of course.

You know, I did that once and it took me about 11 weeks to recover, even on a poor diet.

But by doing that, because I did that, at that time, you know, I was eating raw meat three meals a week, three raw meat meals a week, still a lot of raw dairy.

But after the poisoned mushroom, a very slow progression getting well.

At the age of about 34, it happened.

In a year and a half, a very slow progress of recovering from it.

I began eating raw meat twice daily.

Then I quickly got, you know, started moving quickly through my symptoms.

Of poisoning, which is almost total destruction of red blood cells and liver.

So it was a rough road coming back.

But with all the raw meat, I was able to do it.

Now, a lot of people will say, what about brain flukes?

That's what everybody says.

Anytime they hear, you know, the raw meat business, they say, what about parasites?

What about brain flukes?

What about brain flukes?

I think brain parasites.

Okay, yep.

So there's no, anywhere in literature, anywhere in science, actual experiments that showed studying anybody who ate raw meat.

So this whole fiction from the medical profession is myth.

It's not true.

I, now consider my body.

I had a vagotomy when I had the stomach cancer.

Means they severed all the vagus nerves to my stomach, so I would never again secrete hydrochloric acid to digest protein properly.

So they told me that I would be in danger of death from eating anything raw.

Anything raw.

But that's all I've eaten for 42 years.


And I've never been sick from it.

I've been sick only from the industrial chemicals that are invaded in my body.

That takes, according to Howell and Conacher, 40 years to remove.

So I've still got about 10 years, 10 years to go.

Okay, let me, let me ask you about this question.

Now, I think we can all agree that iodized salt has obviously very, very limited value in everyone's diet.

However, you know, there's a bit of controversy around colored salt or Celtic sea salt.

Now, I heard you say on another podcast that sodium acts like an explosive in the cell and all salt, not just the iodized salt, should be avoided.

Can you elaborate on this?

Well, you just spelled it out very well.

When you isolate sodium, it is an explosive.

It's more explosive than nitroglycerin.

The only reason they haven't made it into a weapon is because it's more volatile than nitroglycerin.

One and a half degree temperature change can set off sodium, isolated sodium.

Is that any form?

A block of sodium crystal as big as a football is more powerful than an atomic bomb.

In what way?

Can you just explain that a little bit more?

Because I guess there'll be a few listeners listening to this saying a block of, like they probably won't get it in terms of you saying a block of salt the size of a football, because a lot of people would probably be looking at their salt shaker right now.

And saying this is more powerful than an atomic bomb.

Could you elaborate on that?

Well, you've got iodine with it or potassium.

You've got some other element with it that neutralizes this volatility.

But when it goes into the body, because it's in rock form, the body separates the iodine from the sodium and the potassium from the sodium, whatever they've used to bind with the sodium.

So it happens within the body.

If you go online and you put YouTube frog legs salt, you'll come up with a video and they have one with pepper also.

And this was because of what I said about salt.

So these guys are going to show me and show the story differently.

So they took frog legs that were, you know, still a day old.

And at the end of the day, they sprinkled salt on them.

Within a minute or like five, 50 seconds or eight seconds, these legs start jumping.

And I'm jumping, spasming because of the salt.

They did the same thing with pepper and one spasm and that was it.

Now you taste pepper.

It's very hot and spicy.

It can burn your mouth.

Yet when they put it on raw tissue, it did not cause but one spasm.

When they put the salt on, let me tell you, they put very little salt compared to the pepper.

And these, the time span of pulsations or spasms in these frog legs, they show for about one minute.

The actual time that it spasmed was nine minutes.

So you're saying they cut off the legs and they were a day old, the legs?

And then they did it?




The animal's dead for a whole day.


Still, the salt did that.

Now I was having this conversation about salt with a friend.

And one of the things I guess they highlighted was that animals do go out of their way in nature to find salts.

How would you respond to that?

I would say that is a myth.

I've lived in nature, you know, for many, many years, completely in nature for three years.

I've lived with every animal you can imagine, including alligators, and none of them go for salt.

None of them go for salt.

Only domesticated animals in domesticated environments, like dairy farms, go for salt because they're fed so many processed foods.

They start losing sodium and other minerals.

And if it were a mineral block that they were licking, if it were dolomite, they'd be going for dolomite.

But farmers who are making dairy and, you know, fattened cows, they want them to hydrate and build with a lot of water.

So, of course, we're going to give them a salt block.


Salt makes it contain more water.

There's going to be more milk, there's going to be more water in the mussels, and then you can sell it for a higher price.


In nature, you do not find it.

No, you don't, yeah.

I have to—there was one animal that wasn't going for the salt, but there were monkeys that were washing the potatoes that they were eating in salt.

That's the only time that I've seen them eating additional salt.


All right, well, let's switch gears and— We're talking land animals, of course.

It's all water animals are entirely different.

Yeah, certainly.

I was going to ask you about butter.

I eat a lot of butter.

However, when I flipped through your book, The Primal Diet, I even—it makes me go, whoa, that's a lot of butter.

Obviously, we spoke before about 8 to 16 tablespoons of butter.

I love butter, and I definitely promote it as a wonder food.

However, in your words, could you teach the listener why butter is so important and why it is such a wonder food?

Well, you have to understand that fats bind with poison.

Fats help you digest and make muscles.

Fats are responsible for 80% of your energy level.

If you want to take a look at the strength and durability of anybody, you look at your wrestlers.

Are they skinny?

Absolutely not.

Your bodybuilders?


And how strong are they?

You won't see a bodybuilder going out there and lifting 600, 700 pounds.

They can't do it.

It takes fat to do that.

So considering all the need for fat that we have, consider what is the most easily digestible and what is the most healthful and what produces the best results of what I want.

Butter all around does it.

The only thing that butter does not take care of completely is the brain and nervous system.

And then the raw milk takes care of that, the raw cream.

But raw butter is absolutely superior to any fat in the world for getting you healthy quickly, for getting you strong, for getting you stamina, for anything.

It's most easily digestible.

Okay, in today's society, a lot of people find it hard to get things like raw milk and raw cream.

What else would be a good alternative to look after the brain if butter's not so good?

Well, you're not going to find anything comparable, anywhere near comparable.

When I can't get those, I eat coconut, coconut cream.

I'll juice the meat of the coconut, get the coconut cream.

You'll also eat some of that coconut along with it.

But that's about the only thing you're going to get here.

Of course, any animal fat, you know, any fat on an animal, a healthy animal, is good fat.

Is there such thing as, I guess, too much butter?

Well, certainly.

I've seen people, you know, get very, very large and very big quickly and, you know, get fatigued because they're so big.

So, yeah, when you get to a point where you can't function as easily, then I would say, time to reduce.

Still continue consuming butter, but just make it less.

Now, I have a friend who's a martial artist and a master and has a martial arts school.

And he doesn't drink water, like I suggest, and everybody told him he had to.

And he eats a tremendous amount of the butter.

He went from, he was a very small person before he went on the diet, muscle-wise and bone-wise.

And then when he went on the diet, he's like, I don't know, 5'10", 5'11".

And when he went on the diet, he was about 145 pounds.

That's pretty thin.

Now he's up to about 200 and works out better than he's ever worked out.

He said it took him a little exercise, time and exercising, to get used to the added weight.

But his strength is five times what it was before.

His muscle density is twice what it was.


And he eats a ton of butter.

You just touched on something there that maybe you could explain a little bit more.

You said you tell people not to drink water.

Yeah, water is like salt.

It's a problem.

It will cause problems in the body.

It's a solvent.

If you look in an archaeological book, the first thing in your solvent, which is something that dissolves things, is rain, is water.

It drops from the sky, it dissolves rock and plants eat.

So when we put it into our body, it's completely nutrient deficient.

It dissolves and it leaches.

You don't want that happening in your body much.

So a little water is okay.

But a lot of water is not okay.

You get H2O from everything.

Like I'll drink two quarts of milk a day.

That's why I get my water.

I drink maybe a cup of water a month.


The rest of the time you're drinking milk. 90% of all foods, 92 to 90% is all water.

Meat is 55% water maximum, minimum. 55% water.

Then your milk is like 86% water.

So every raw food you consume has all of that water in it.

Which is limited to take care of the body.

Plus it's all nutrient bound.

The key is nutrient bound.

Plain water out there is not nutrient bound.

What it does is dissolve and leach in your body.

And all this hype and myth about dehydration and you got to drink all this water.

It is not correct.

It deteriorates your body more.

But with that said, you did touch on before that there's a lot of toxins out there and water can be used as a solvent.

So couldn't one argue that obviously because there are a lot of environmental toxins in our everyday world today, that using or drinking water has helped flushing out those toxins?

Yes, it would.

But like I say, most of your foods are already water.

However, I will drink, let's say I'm going through a detoxification.

Like last week, some of that old chemotherapy came up and I vomited for 24 hours.

Guess what was in it?



ADT and the iodine that they use in the radiation process.

So what did you say was in it?

So what I did was just started detoxifying.

My body cleans every year, once a year, it will start cleaning that area from 42 years ago.

So whenever I go through that, I will drink a little water like I was having a half a cup of water a day for five days to help dissolve and neutralize those poisons.

Of course, I ate a tremendous amount of cheese to absorb the poisons and a lot of milk to provide the minerals, the dinosaur poisons, as well as the compounds of water to fractionate it.

So what would the average day in the life, the average diet, what's the average food that you would eat in a day?

Well, I'm a little different because I travel a lot and I've been on the diet a long time.

That's not as toxic as most people.

But like I put out in my recipe book, the recipe for living without disease, I put in there, start your day off with a little cheese to absorb the poisons, vegetable juice that you dump during the night, vegetable juice to alkalinize some of that chemical toxicity throughout the night.

And then about 30, 40 minutes later, you have a meat meal with two raw eggs, something that's low in carbohydrate, so your body makes glycogen from a protein rather than a carbohydrate.

High carbohydrate causes a lot of AGE, A-G-E, which are advanced glycation end products.

And those store in a body at a rate of anywhere from 70 to 90 percent, according to Columbia University.

And that's part of the aging process.

A lot of cancer is involved in those advanced glycation end products.

And we store them at a rate of 70 to 90 percent, even if you're healthy, 70 to 80 percent.

So those poisons going up in the body are not good.

And you need to make them from raw food.

So you need to lower the amount of carbohydrates in the food.

And if you start the day off by eating mainly meat and dairy and eggs, you give your body a lot of protein and fat, and it will make the glycogen from a protein sugar that it does not store.

Only the carbohydrate glycogen byproducts store.

So your brain is cleaner.

You think better.

You have more clarity, more everything.

So start your day off by eating the meat.

You know, of course, you have some cheese.

No poison eating.

Ten minutes after that, right away, vegetable juice, which is mainly cucumber and celery, a little bit of carrots, a little bit of carbohydrate.

And then about 35, 40 minutes, an hour after that, have a meat meal with your butter.

And then, you know, after that, a milkshake you sip throughout the day, and then maybe have a fruit meal in the afternoon with some fat, either avocado or coconut or coconut cream, cheese, some kind of fat.

Always have your high carbohydrate or a more sweetened oxygen fruit with a fat to slow it down in the body.

Then in the evening, another meat meal with some butter, and then maybe a half a cup of milk before you go to sleep.

And then maybe an egg or two during the night so your body doesn't eat its own protein.

For the next five hours, your body's blood bottoms out on protein, and all you're doing is part of eating itself, which means it usually eats the red blood cells.

So red blood cells become cannibalistic and eat red blood cells.

So that's why a lot of people will wake up in the morning after eight to ten hours and be fatigued and tired, because they're anemic.

They've lost two to four red tablespoons of red blood cells because they've gone without eating for five hours.

I recommend that people need eight hours of sleep.

They put an alarm for three to five hours after they go to sleep, get up and eat, drink, half a cup of milk, suck a raw egg, or eat a half a cup of meat, a little bit of butter, and go back to sleep.

So you recommend interrupting people's sleep?


But won't that...

That will harm a number of things in terms of obviously the rapid eye movement, people's deep sleep, the production of melatonin, the production and resetting neurotransmitters in the brain.

I'm not saying reduce sleep.

I'm saying if you can eat, go back to sleep.

But if you wake up, I mean, anything now is classified as waking up for more than three seconds is classified as interrupted sleep.

So waking up in the middle of the night is definitely interrupting sleep patterns.

Well, let me tell you, if you're from the medical profession, you're the opposite of me, right?

Ninety-nine percent of the time.

I say that repeatedly.

The medical profession makes no money unless you're sick.

The medical profession is run completely by the pharmaceutical industry.

The pharmaceutical industry writes the medical procedures, which are all geared toward medication.

And they're not geared toward healing you, they're geared toward making you take more medication.

Oh, I can agree with that.


However, the sleep recommendation, that's where I guess I draw the line and would have to say, you know, agree to disagree, because I mean, you know, there are a lot of factors in sleep, your body.

Let me give you an example.

Let me give you an example.

I had a young man who had been a vegetarian for about 17, 16, 17 years.

He was probably 46 when he came to me, was very skinny, had osteoporosis, he had scoliosis, from it, almost a hunchback at this time, no muscle tissue whatsoever, very weak and he was a scientist.

Two years on the diet, looks all buffed up, strong, straight standing, can work, you know, lots of hours.

But it always used to take him many hours after the day started to get the energy up.

And, you know, he came to me after two years on it and said, listen, you know, it's noon before I have any energy, then I'm great.

He said, before then, I said, are you doing what I said?

Are you waking in the night and having something so you're not going five hours without eating?

He said, gave me the same arguments you gave me, melatonin, everything.

And I said, just try it.

Give this one night, John, go do it, try it.

The next morning, he woke and he had all the energy in the world.

Just that one change.

Okay, well, yeah, that's good, but I guess the thing that I would, you know, still not sold on the fact that he was a vegetarian, so obviously his red blood cell count, as you said, would be lower than someone who had been eating meat their whole life.

So, I mean, yeah, there's definitely tools for the tool belt, but yeah, I guess I'm not as absolute as that.

But anyway, it doesn't matter.

We can digress on that issue.

But one thing that I know you are an expert on is honey.

You know, can you talk a little bit about honey?

I remember reading in your book, you spoke about honey not heating over 160 degrees Celsius because it destroys the honey.

No, 93 degrees for honey.

Yeah, sorry.

Yep, 93 degrees for honey.

Now, is maluca honey the same thing or is that unheated?

Is maluca honey better?

Is it worse?

Or should people just be opting for the raw honey?

It depends on the beekeeper.

Those beekeepers heat their honey to make it pour fast so they can bottle more quicker and sell it.

They don't have to put as much time in. 93 degrees is what the bees, when they collect the honey, they swallow it.

I mean, they collect the nectar, they swallow it.

That process of swallowing the nectar, pre-digesting it, may produce an insulin-like substance which allows for pre-digestion of the sugars.

So it converts those sugars into more active enzymes than sugars.

So when you heat the honey above 93 degrees, it starts breaking down that insulin-like substance.

And then it's all sugar again.

And that's the same truth for maluca honey?

Maluca honey still can be heated?


And what about the argument, I guess, with maluca honey?

I was speaking to a beekeeper the other day, actually, and he said that they have to heat, slightly heat maluca honey because otherwise they can't pour it.

That's what I said.

They can pour it, it's just very slow.


Before we wrap...


They don't want to spend the time doing that.

Yeah, correct.

Before we wrap up today, are there any final thoughts or words of wisdom?


Anything the medical profession says, do the opposite. 99% of the time, you'll be right and healthy.

I like that.

All right.

And where can the listeners find out more about you?

Well, they can go to a website called We Want to Live.

We Want Live are all spelled out.

The 2-T-O is really the numeral 2, so it's We Want spelled out, the numeral 2,

And I have two books there that can be purchased.

I also have a DVD lecture set, which will have all the wood you heard today, plus four hours more material, and how to do the diet, basically, and how to make it work.

And then I have a newsletter that they can subscribe to.

Everyone can subscribe to and get more information.

And also, there's a DVD of recipes, making raw food final diet recipes, that will be out in about a month.


Awesome stuff.

Thank you so much for today, so much for your time, and thank you so much for your words of wisdom.

It's been much appreciated.

I'm sure people will get a lot of insight into this, and I'm sure people will definitely start making changes in terms of adding butter.

I keep telling my listeners to add butter and jumping on the raw honey, because they're definitely big changes that can make a big difference.

So thank you again for today, and we wish you all the best.

I'll put some of your links up on my website, and when I post up this podcast, and make sure you check out Aajonus book.

So thanks for today.

Okay, and I hope to see you in December when I'll be back in Australia.


Take care, Aajonus.

You too.

Thank you.